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  • Hi, this is in regards to my updating of the Asimov Timeline page -- I was actually factoring in the paragraphs you mention there, since Baley mentions during his inner monologue that New York City (the underground-version) was specifically 300 years old, but the reference two paragraphs later refers to all of Earth's Cities gradually amalgamating into their underground forms that we see in the novel following the events of "Mother Earth" one thousand years earlier.

    Evidently some took longer to accomplish this than others (NYC seemingly being one of the more-recent holdouts, based on the paragraph's phrasing), but from this, we know that New York City in Baley's era is differentiated from what we today refer to as "New York City" (the real-world metropolitan area), and Asimov takes great pains to point this out in the text:

    To be sure, something had existed in the same geographic area before then that had been called New York City. That primitive gathering of population had existed for three thousand years, not three hundred, but it hadn't been a City.

    So it looks like 3,300 years since the 1664 AD renaming of "New Amsterdam" by the British, plus the added references to Elijah and Jessie's first meeting at the party nineteen years later ("back in '02"), which means that The Caves of Steel takes place in a year whose last two digits are "21." This signifies a dating-placement of absolutely no earlier than 4964, and the officially-published timeline in Mark Tiedemann's novel Aurora goes with the year 5021 AD, which makes sense.

    Also, I'd updated several other dates based on datapoints given in Asimov's stories, but these got lost in the reversion -- can these be restored?

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    • 24,030 is about 24,000. It's rather pointless to try to pin down a date more accurately when it is based on a figure rounded to three places.

      As for the City date, you may be right, but you may be wrong too; again you're assuming. Another point is that Asimov refers to "that primitive gathering of population". Stated that way, it would seem to refer to New Amsterdam also, thus the 1664 date would be wrong too.

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  • Hi again! The Foundation teaser trailer dropped (and it looks amazing). I wanted to give you a heads up that we're unfortunately seeing some issues in Discussions regarding diversifying the cast, so it's something to keep an eye out for.

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    • I just read the discussion in question.

      I'm sorry to say that the way I read it, it appears to be you with the issues, bringing up racism. Nobody else did.

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  • There is a post on Reddit regarding the production resuming for Apple TV+'s Foundation, or even its possible cancellation. Head over it and see for yourself.

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  • Do you know that the Apple TV+ series Foundation has been canceled? This is because even after the lockdown, PM Leo Varadkar hasn't announced the dates for reopening the businesses for filming ever.

    Plus, there is no news since March 2020. And that suspension/halting of the production could be permanent and that amounts to cancellation.

    I've found one source.

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  • Hi again! I wanted to reach out about making some best practices updates to the main page. Some changes I'd like to make include:

    • Rename main page to "Asimov Wiki"
    • Set up main page columns, so that the page has a right rail
    • Set up a few sections for the some of the notable series: iRobot, Empire, Foundation. These would include gallery navigations to the major books.
    • Rename the "Main" category to "Asimov Wiki"

    Let me know if you have any preferences!

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    • Let me say first, Sure, you can do that if you want.

      However, I don't see the point of any of it.

      • I edited for like three years before I realized wikis even had main pages. How 90s. I never visit them; does anyone?
      • Columns make pages look busy like magazines. When there's too much going on, I tend to skip it all and look for something else. Does research show it actually tends to hold readers better?
      • The notable series are already listed. I question whether a busy gallery would make it easier or harder to navigate.
      • I didn't know there was a Main category. It seems purposeless and I'll probably be deleting it.

      Have fun!

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    • Thanks, I'll be happy to get some changes made this weekend!

      To address your points:

      • People definitely visit main pages, yeah! They tend to be the most visited page of a wiki. Just check Special:Analytics, which shows the main page here is visited almost twice as often as the next most popular page. They are very useful, especially for visitors who are new to a subject and aren't sure where to go first.
      • There's a lot to be said for a clean simple style. Columns used well can be very clean and not overly busy. That's certainly part of my goal for a main page.
      • User research shows that navigation galleries are very effective. Additionally, for wikis like this that cover multiple series, it's helpful for visitors to separate them, since most visitors are here for information on just one series. When they see there's a section specific to what they're looking for, it helps them find the pages they would like to visit.

      This wiki has a lot of useful information, and a well-curated main page is the most important way (along with the top navigation) to help visitors find what they're interested in! So I really like setting them up to be awesome. :D

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    • Thanks for the update! It doesn't look nearly as busy and cluttered as I had feared... :)

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    • Haha, I'm glad it's not terrible :D

      Oh I found another Asimov-focused wiki for merger. It's basically abandoned, so we can close it anytime. Is there anything from asimovuniverse.fandom.com that you would want to import?

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  • Hi,

    sorry you had to clean my mess. I had copied some content from other pages, not knowing it creates this markup. I will keep that in mind ;-).

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    • Not a problem.

      Happy editing!

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    • Do you have knowledge of the succession from Stannel I -> Edard I -> Stannel II? The sucsession in the table in Galactic Emperors does not match with what is stated in Pebble in the Sky. There it says, that Stannel II is followed by Edard an Stannel II is the Boy-Emperor.

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    • I don't see that they appear in The Foundation trilogy at all. What chapter of Pebble are they in?

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    • In „Apprehension in the Night“ it says “But it so happened that young Stannell II—the boy emperor who was somewhat insane and who was removed by assassination after a reign of two years; you remember!—ordered that the Emperor’s insignia be raised in their Council Chamber at Washenn”.

      A page later it says “Stannell II was sufficiently mad to demand that his order be complied with if it meant the slaughter of every Earthman alive, but he was assassinated before that could be put into effect, and Edard, his successor, canceled the original order. All was peace again.”.

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  • Over the next few weeks, I intend to write quick 1 to 2 sentence Plot Summaries, and update/create the wikis for each story in the collection.

    Unfortunately, my internet tends to have issue with being used this month, probably because Ch1na we're all at home waiting. So I'll keep trying to improve this area of Asimov wiki.

    If you see anything I mess up, feel free to correct it.

    Anything you would like to see?

    On a side note, I noticed that the dates in the List of Short Stories don't always align with the publication dates in my copy of The Complete Robot, which mentions the editions of the article. Do you know the source used? I'd be interested to check it out. My mum owns a very old copy of I, Robot, so I'll check her copy's dates when I visit in late summer.

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    • Welcome, I don't remember for sure, but I probably just copied it from Wikipedia. If you think a date is wrong, you can change it, but it'd be nice to list a reference...

      Happy editing!

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    • All right. I'm mostly using my HarperVoyager copy of The Complete Robot, I just thought the dates seem odd, but maybe OP had the magazines to go off of. I'll leave it.

      I noticed you keep correcting my edits. Just wanted to say thanks.

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    • I've started working on characters and robots, but I won't be adding that for quite a while. Currently it mostly is a list by stories of their names, age (in story), profession, home, and current location (by planet). If a character is only mentioned, I have been adding them too. For example, at the end of Runaround it is mentioned that Susan Calvin is an old lady.

      Have you ever heard of like a map of the Asimoverse? I would not be surprised if someone had made one, it would be quite interesting to see.

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    • Cool. No, I don't think I've ever seen a map, although most places are based on real places or real stars, so you might be able to place most of them on existing star charts.

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  • to the minimum-white-space-in-pages philosophy, I fail to see why you've added an empty line at the top of the page and a {{-}} template at the bottom. Just useless luggage, particularly in pages which are often one-liners.

    Thanks.


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    • I was the same when memory was expensive. Now I prefer to more easily see what I'm doing.

      Particularly, the line at the top leaves room for a pic in the future. I've found on other wikis that the clear template at the bottom helps prevent n00bs from messing up the categories when they edit by moving them away from the text.

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    • OK, makes sense. Thanks for explaining!

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